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NetManage Mail
Chronological Email Exchange regarding NetManage's position on the free use of EccoPro
starting with the message of April. 19, 2004 at the bottom of the page.
None of this happens in support - it is being
discussed at other levels in the company.
They wanted to edit a few words in the license
agreement that pops up during install, but the
installer is built with an older package that is no
longer used by Engineering.  Everything is MSI now.

There seems to be an opinion that the installer
agreement takes precedence over anything you put in
a file in the zip since you actively agree to it.
I believe the intent is to allow individuals to
download and use it, but they did not want to see
someone take the program and put it on a CD and start
selling it.  However, my opinion of the interpretation
of the agreement matters little, that is up to lawyers.
Will keep you posted.
-----Original Message-----
From: Friedhelm Dohmann
Sent: May 11, 2004 6:34 PM
To: J.J.
Subject: Re: your EccoPro Mail


Thanks for the update. You were on my mind since yesterday.

What do you mean with "rebuilding the project"? I think
there is less concern on your end with sharing one free
download with co-workers or using Ecco as shared version
while everybody downloads its own version, but with demands
to support something once it is licensed. NetManage can
block many misguided Ecco support requests by phone or
otherwise by making it mandatory to download and share an
Ecco specific license addendum as part of a zipped package.

Please keep me informed,


"J.J." wrote:

>  Friedhelm,Just wanted to give you an update.
>  The Marketing department are trying to find out if they
>  can have the license agreement changed without rebuilding
>  the project.
>  J.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friedhelm Dohmann
> Sent: April 22, 2004 11:31 PM
> To: J.J.
> Subject: Re: your EccoPro Mail
> Thanks J.
> Patiently,
> Friedhelm
> "J.J." wrote:
>> Working on it as we speak.  They are in the middle of some
>> other issues and this is not high on their priority list,
>> but I am working on it.
>> J.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friedhelm Dohmann
>> Sent: April 22, 2004 3:34 PM
>> To: J.J.
>> Subject: Re: your EccoPro Mail
>> Importance: High
>> J.
>> Did you receive my mail below? Any progress with your
>> upper echelon?
>> Friedhelm
>> "J.J." wrote:
>>> Can you be more specific on what you would like the
>>> license agreement to allow you to do?  What precisely
>>> would you like to be able to do with the
>>> product that the license agreement blocks?
>>> For example:
>>> Two users who have downloaded and installed the product
>>> now want to share data.
>> Often used on peer to peer networks and preferred since
>> two or more single users would download the program on
>> their respective systems and share data like appointments,
>> addresses etc. by creating synchronized copies of "one"
>> data file.  Each users data is stored on their own
>> Workstation.
>> The .ECG file located in someone's Eccoshare directory
>> handles update procedures in all directions and doesn't
>> require a central server.
>>> --or--
>>> A network admin wants to put it on a shared drive for
>>> everyone to install from.
>> Ecco will allow this seldom used method where one data
>> file is shared and resides on a central server. But it
>> is for most large office environments prohibitive since
>> today's data amounts soon reach Ecco's 64000KB TLI
>> limits. Smaller offices might give it a shot and be
>> able to live with those limitations.
>> Many problems arise when one user who uses Ecco at home
>> would like to install one additional copy on his office
>> workstation in a standardized network environment where
>> he would synch addresses and appointments with a Palm
>> Device or Laptop. He collides with IT people which
>> require legal documentation and licenses even for
>> freeware and are seldom willing to give their OK without
>> that to a program not developed or supported since 1997.
>> The following is a EccoPro Group message of 04/08/04:
>>>I'm currently trying to get the IS crew where I work to
>>>let me install ECCO on my desktop. They insist
>>>(and rightly so) on something in writing that allows the
>>>free use of a program. So far I can't find anything that
>>>specifically states that it's OK to download and use 
>>>ECCO. Does anyone know what the Netmanage position is
>>>regarding free use of ECCO? I've written to their
>>>customer service department but not received any response.
>>>My IS department says it's like a bicyle that's been left
>>>unlocked on the driveway. Just because it isn't locked
>>>doesn't mean it's OK for you to take and use it without
>>>Any ideas on how to go about using this program legally?
>> I hope this will help you,
>> be blessed,
>> Friedhelm
>>> J.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Friedhelm Dohmann
>>> Sent: April 19, 2004 6:17 PM
>>> To: J.J.
>>> Subject: your EccoPro Mail
>>> J.
>>> Thanks for your offer and contact address.
>>> By providing a link on our EccoPro support site visitors
>>> are able to download not only the "update32.exe" but also
>>> the latest build of EccoPro 4.01.  In doing so we point
>>> to your general copyright notice at
>>> "http://www.netmanage.com/company/copyright.asp".
>>> The 3rd part of your copyright notice states:
>>> NetManage hereby grants you permission to display, copy,
>>> distribute and download NetManage's Materials on this
>>> Web Site provided that: (1) both the copyright notice
>>> identified below and this permission notice appear in
>>> the Materials; (2) the use of such Materials is solely
>>> for personal, non-commercial and informational use and
>>> will not be copied or posted on any networked computer,
>>> broadcast in any media, or used for commercial gain; and
>>> (3) the Materials are not modified in any way. This
>>> permission terminates automatically without notice if
>>> you breach any of these terms or conditions.
>>> Upon termination, you will immediately destroy any
>>> downloaded or printed Materials.
>>> Specifically the portion "the use of such Materials is
>>> solely for personal, non-commercial and informational
>>> use and will not be copied or posted on any networked
>>> computer, ..." gives, if you follow heated EccoPro
>>> Forum discussions, legal abiding users headache, who
>>> would like to use EccoPro in a networked environment.
>>> What is NetManage's position on this issue? Would you
>>> or NetManage be able to provide an EccoPro specific
>>> waiver regarding the use on Local Area Networks?
>>> Keeping EccoPro alive since 1997,
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Friedhelm Dohmann
>>> "http://www.compusol.org/ecco"


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