--- All you must do is delete the junk you find as you go through this wiki. A couple of questions: Will Eccopro really be opensourced? When? What organization will be overseeing the development of this, or will it be a completely volunteer based development? Does anyone at Netmanage actually ever look at this wiki, and do they no how much spam it's had? (I'd suggest requiring registration, it stops alot of the spam. Not all, but alot.) Please, either Post the source under LGPL or something else that is very useful, or remove the paragraph saying that Netmanage "Plans" to open-source it. So far it's vapor-ware. Please prove those of us in the opensource community that would love to give Eccopro a major boost in development and user base wrong in our supposition, that Netmanage is a dead company that doesn't care... Please prove us wrong. Thanks! Tech the Guru Floyd from dev (at) openoffice.org mailing list.
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I just got off the phone with Steve Mitchell, General Counsel for Netmanage. He approached me because Netmanage is considering open-sourcing the Ecco code, perhaps under a GPL or LGPL license, and he wanted to reach out to the Ecco user community for support. Steve has asked that anyone interested in becoming involved in the open source project speak up. Netmanage is considering holding a meeting regarding the project in December or January, either in New York (perhaps at my offices) or at some other location. Please feel free to speak up.
- Jeff
August 1st, 2005, Update:
After the latest thread on the open source project, I thought I'd post some sort of update.
I had a conference call with Archie and some other NM people tentatively scheduled for Friday, July 22 to discuss the next steps in the open source project. Unfortunately, the call never happened, and I'm still waiting to here about a reschedule.
I firmly believe that Archie and the NM team are sincere in their stated intentions to open the Ecco source code. I am also thoroughly convinced that: (1) the NM people have large workloads; and (2) this project is not high on the NM priority list. As a result, the open source project keeps getting bumped back.
I will remain available at NM's convenience to get this thing going. Hopefully, that will be sooner rather than later.
- Jeff
Netmanage, Ecco and Open Source
It's funny in a way how things sometimes feel permanent because they're on the web and can be accessed from anywhere you have an internet connection and a browser.
For instance, I quickly read through Bob Perez's comments and figured to read through them again utilizing the link that Jeff provided in his message...
--- In eccopro@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Sonnabend" <eccotools@s...> wrote:
>> >> All - >> >> Bob Perez caught wind of the open source initiative and has joined >> the forums over at EccoOpen?.org. He has posted a short background >> on some aspects of the code development, if anyone is interested. >> >> http://www.eccoopen.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=149 >> >> - Jeff >>
Unfortunately with the eccoopen site down for the count, I didn't think that I could review the message again, but thanks to the investment of some time and effort searching Google as well as the existence of Google's cache I found the the message at ...
However in case this link ceases to work or the cached copy of the page is no longer available, I am pasting Bob's comments here as well ...
[quote="BobPerez?"]Hmm, insight into the code. Well, it's been years since I've thought about, let alone seen, any of that code. The bulk of it was designed in 1990-1991 and at the time we were using straight C code compiled using Borland tools. Pete was responsible for the core architecture and although my role was more on the business side of Arabesque, I did write many of the utility sub- systems (virtually all of the calendaring and date code, so I get the blame for the Y2K bug, :P ; all of the label sub-system; all of the text-touchup code; things like that).
One thing that would probably be very useful to anyone walking through that code is a Hi8 videotape I took during our design sessions. There was one full-day design review in particular where Pete, Charles, Fred and some others did an architecture walk-through describing as much of it as possible while I videotaped, with the idea that the tape would become a major communication tool for new engineers brought on board.
This turned out to be VERY useful and quickly brought up to speed new engineers we added to the team. The tape probably was turned over to NetManage? with all the rest of the Arabesque assets, so I'd start by asking them about it. If they don't have the tape, it's possible that I have a copy somewhere in my Arabesque archives.
The person with the most global and penetrating insight into the code is, without question, Ed Sheppard. Last I'd heard, Ed was still involved in Acumen Associates in Bellevue, but it's been many years since I've had contact with him so I've no idea if he's still there. My Ecco tells me, however, that his birthday is coming up next week on June 9. Ed was the kind of engineer you dream about having on your team. Not only as one of the best primary source engineers around, but easily the best maintenance engineer I've ever known since, able to go in to anyone's code, find the problems, and fix them with an elegant solution. He'd easily be the biggest asset to this effort if he had any cycles to contribute. Any of the other guys at Acumen would also have major contributions to make, I don't want to slight any of them, they were all part of what remains the best and tightest programming team I've had the pleasure of working with since. But, as is often the case, even among greats, one person sometimes stands even taller. That's Ed.
Not much more I can add off the top of my head, but it's fun thinking about the fond memories. Thanks for taking up this project and please keep me posted at bob@shadowpike.com.
Good luck, guys, and let me know if you need a beta tester for any upgrades.
BobP?[/quote]
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All you must do is delete the junk you find as you go through this wiki. A couple of questions: Will Eccopro really be opensourced? When? What organization will be overseeing the development of this, or will it be a completely volunteer based development? Does anyone at Netmanage actually ever look at this wiki, and do they no how much spam it's had? (I'd suggest requiring registration, it stops alot of the spam. Not all, but alot.) Please, either Post the source under LGPL or something else that is very useful, or remove the paragraph saying that Netmanage "Plans" to open-source it. So far it's vapor-ware. Please prove those of us in the opensource community that would love to give Eccopro a major boost in development and user base wrong in our supposition, that Netmanage is a dead company that doesn't care... Please prove us wrong. Thanks! Tech the Guru Floyd from dev (at) openoffice.org mailing list.
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